Idaho State Board of Architectural Examiners
Bureau of Occupational Licenses
1109 Main Street, Suite 220
Boise, Idaho 83702-5642
(208) 334-3233

MINUTES OF September 12, 2003


ROLL CALL:     Present -      Nicholas Latham,  Chair

                                                D. Nels Reese

                                                Paul Jensen

                                                Stan Cole

                                                R. G. Nelson

                        Absent -          Alan Giltzow


ALSO PRESENT:                   Rayola Jacobsen, Bureau Chief

                                                Roger Hales, Administrative Attorney

                                                Cherie Simpson


The meeting was called to order at 8:10 a.m. by Chair, Nicholas Latham.  Roll call:  R. G. Nelson, Stan Cole, Nels Reese, Paul Jensen, Nicholas Latham with Alan Giltzow absent.  Bureau staff present:  Rayola Jacobsen, Roger Hales, and Cherie Simpson.  

Moved by Mr. Reese that the minutes of May 2, 2003 meeting be approved with the amendment regarding the proposed amendment to 54-309.  Seconded by Mr. Cole, carried.  Moved by Mr. Cole that the minutes of the August 19, 2003 conference call be approved as amended.  Seconded by Mr. Nelson, carried. 

Mr. Nelson stated that the definitions for Health, Safety, and Welfare will become part of the Policies of the Board.   

Financial Report

Investigative Report

Ms. Jacobsen explained that the Bureau has successfully completed an audit.  She asked that the Board members submit their travel reimbursement within two to three weeks of any travel as the process is more efficient.  The financial report was reviewed and discussion was held.  The Board stated that there should be enough in the budget to cover a newsletter or annual report to the licensed architects.  Moved by Mr. Reese that David Hahn, the Bureau’s budget analyst from DFM, be invited to the next meeting of the Board to discuss ways the Board can be more proactive.  A list will be provided to Mr. Hahn prior to the meeting. 

Ms. Jacobsen distributed for review the contract for services between the Board and the Bureau.  Moved by Mr. Cole that Mr. Latham be authorized to execute the contract on behalf of the Board.  Seconded by Mr. Nelson, carried. 

Mr. Nelson explained to the Board the concerns he is having regarding unlicensed practice in North Idaho.  The city of Coeur d’Alene had requested that he write an amendment to the building code that may reduce the amount of unlicensed practice.  Upon submission of the amendment he was then asked to get the engineers approval for the amendment.  He met with local engineer and building contractor groups in North Idaho.  

Moved by Mr. Nelson that Mr. Hales be directed to research the status of “emeritus architect” and whether it would require a law change or rule change to make this status available to the licensees that qualify. 

Applications for licensure and examination were reviewed. 

Break for lunch. 

Meeting reconvened at 1:00 p.m.  Guests present:  Scott Soule, Les Walker, Clyde Porter, Rex Hansen, John Aramberri, John Eaton, David Bennion, and Molly Creswell Steckel.   Open discussion was held with the audience regarding specific engineer designations and scope of practice for various designations.  Mr. Nelson briefly explained the concerns he had with the stamping of drawings prepared by unlicensed persons (Aiding and abetting) in the Northern section of the state.  The Board and audience agreed that this practice is happening in both professions.  He also explained that upon researching the history of the board it was found that the Board of Architects and the Board of Engineers had entered into an agreement in 1978 regarding practice.  It was agreed by everyone that there is crossover in the practice of engineering and architecture. 

 Mr. Porter and Mr. Walker both explained the complaint process to the Board of Architects and recommended that Mr. Nelson submit a written complaint along with the documentation that he may have.  Members of the Board of Professional Engineers stated that the complaint would be pursued if a violation of the law were found.  They suggested to Mr. Nelson that the Building Code not be amended as it provides adequate protection as it stands.  Mr. Bennion addressed the Board and the audience on the topic of violations of the laws.  He stated that he felt prosecuting the offenders in both professions would be the best way to handle this situation.  He felt the community and the construction industry would benefit if each board aggressively policed their licensees.  

It was decided that representatives of both the Board of Architects and the Board of Professional Engineers would meet in Coeur d’Alene with the building officials.  Mr. Soule pointed out the building officials need to be actively involved with any meetings between the two Boards.  The Boards will work on drafts for various jurisdictions that is similar to the code in Boise City.   Mr. Eaton felt that his Association (Building Contractors) would be okay with an ordinance change like Coeur d’Alene. He did not like the amendment being proposed to the building code and felt it was better to make changes in the ordinances. 

Mr. Nelson and one other board member will join the Board of Professional Engineers in a joint meeting in Coeur d’Alene.  The Architects will arrange to meet with the Engineers at least once a year. 

The newsletter was discussed.  Mr. Jacobson told the Board that she would submit a proposal for a newsletter at their next meeting on December 5, 2003.  The proposal will include samples and costs for Board review. 

Meeting adjourned at 3:35 p.m.

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