Idaho State Board of Architectural Examiners
MINUTES OF September 12, 2003
ROLL CALL: Present - Nicholas Latham, Chair
D. Nels Reese
R. G. Nelson
Absent - Alan Giltzow
ALSO PRESENT: Rayola Jacobsen, Bureau Chief
Roger Hales, Administrative Attorney
The meeting was called to order at 8:10
a.m. by Chair, Nicholas Latham. Roll
call: R. G. Nelson, Stan Cole, Nels
Reese, Paul Jensen, Nicholas Latham with Alan Giltzow absent. Bureau staff present: Rayola
Jacobsen, Roger Hales, and Cherie Simpson.
Moved by Mr. Reese that the minutes of May
2, 2003 meeting be approved with the amendment regarding the proposed amendment
to 54-309. Seconded by Mr. Cole,
carried. Moved by Mr. Cole that the
minutes of the August 19, 2003 conference call be approved as amended.
Seconded by Mr. Nelson, carried.
Mr. Nelson stated that the definitions for
Health, Safety, and Welfare will become part of the Policies of the Board.
Ms. Jacobsen explained that the Bureau has
successfully completed an audit. She
asked that the Board members submit their travel reimbursement within two to
three weeks of any travel as the process is more efficient.
The financial report was reviewed and discussion was held.
The Board stated that there should be enough in the budget to cover a
newsletter or annual report to the licensed architects.
Moved by Mr. Reese that David Hahn, the Bureau’s budget analyst from
DFM, be invited to the next meeting of the Board to discuss ways the Board can
be more proactive. A list will be
provided to Mr. Hahn prior to the meeting.
Ms. Jacobsen distributed for review the
contract for services between the Board and the Bureau.
Moved by Mr. Cole that Mr. Latham be authorized to execute the contract
on behalf of the Board. Seconded by
Mr. Nelson, carried.
Mr. Nelson explained to the Board the
concerns he is having regarding unlicensed practice in North Idaho.
The city of Coeur d’Alene had requested that he write an amendment to
the building code that may reduce the amount of unlicensed practice.
Upon submission of the amendment he was then asked to get the engineers
approval for the amendment. He met
with local engineer and building contractor groups in North Idaho.
Moved by Mr. Nelson that Mr. Hales be
directed to research the status of “emeritus architect” and whether it would
require a law change or rule change to make this status available to the
licensees that qualify.
Applications for licensure and examination
Break for lunch.
Meeting reconvened at 1:00 p.m. Guests present: Scott
Soule, Les Walker, Clyde Porter, Rex Hansen, John Aramberri, John Eaton, David
Bennion, and Molly Creswell Steckel.
Open discussion was held with the audience regarding specific engineer
designations and scope of practice for various designations.
Mr. Nelson briefly explained the concerns he had with the stamping of
drawings prepared by unlicensed persons (Aiding and abetting) in the Northern
section of the state. The Board and audience agreed that this practice is happening
in both professions. He also
explained that upon researching the history of the board it was found that the
Board of Architects and the Board of Engineers had entered into an agreement in
1978 regarding practice. It was
agreed by everyone that there is crossover in the practice of engineering and
Porter and Mr. Walker both explained the complaint process to the Board of
Architects and recommended that Mr. Nelson submit a written complaint along with
the documentation that he may have. Members
of the Board of Professional Engineers stated that the complaint would be
pursued if a violation of the law were found.
They suggested to Mr. Nelson that the Building Code not be amended as it
provides adequate protection as it stands.
Mr. Bennion addressed the Board and the audience on the topic of
violations of the laws. He stated
that he felt prosecuting the offenders in both professions would be the best way
to handle this situation. He felt
the community and the construction industry would benefit if each board
aggressively policed their licensees.
It was decided that representatives of both
the Board of Architects
and the Board of Professional Engineers would meet in Coeur d’Alene with the
building officials. Mr. Soule
pointed out the building officials need to be actively involved with any
meetings between the two Boards. The
Boards will work on drafts for various jurisdictions that is similar to the code
in Boise City. Mr. Eaton felt
that his Association (Building Contractors) would be okay with an ordinance
change like Coeur d’Alene. He did not like the amendment being proposed to the
building code and felt it was better to make changes in the ordinances.
Mr. Nelson and one other board member will
join the Board of Professional Engineers in a joint meeting in Coeur d’Alene.
The Architects will arrange to meet with the Engineers at least once a
The newsletter was discussed. Mr. Jacobson told the Board that she would submit a proposal
for a newsletter at their next meeting on December 5, 2003.
The proposal will include samples and costs for Board review.
Meeting adjourned at 3:35 p.m.
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